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Ike
Iossif (President/C.I.O. of Aegean Capital
Group, Inc.) talks about the DJIA, the current
rally, the economy, and all of Aegean's
proprietary market indicators.
MARKETVIEWS.TV
Interview
with Ike Iossif
By
Dan Bistline
03/09/2002
6:30 PM PST
D.B.
Hi Ike, on 3-09-01 you did an interview with
Kristen French of "TheStreet.com" You,
along with some others who are considered
real "Wall Street Heavy Weights" such
Mr. Canelo form Morgan Stanley, and Mr. Richard
Bernstein of Merrill Lynch were asked to pick
the index that would outperform the rest over
the next six months, and over the next ten
years. You were the only one to pick the
venerable Dow. Six months later, and it turns
out you were right on the money! What made you
pick the Dow?
Desert
Island Index: Picking a Favorite in Trying
Times
By
Kristen
French
Staff Reporter
10/09/2001
05:08 PM EDT
URL:
http://www.thestreet.com/markets/kristenfrench/10002144.html
Looking
for Certainty in the Indices
(click on the link to read the
entire article) |
| Strategist |
Firm |
6-month |
10-year |
| Peter Canelo |
Morgan Stanley Dean
Witter |
S&P 500 |
Russell 2000 |
| Richard Bernstein |
Merrill Lynch |
S&P 500 |
Russell 2000 |
| Charles Crane |
Spears, Benzak,
Salomon & Farrell |
S&P 500 |
Russell 2000 |
| Ike Iossif |
Aegean Capital
Group |
Dow Jones
Industrial Average |
Dow Jones
Industrial Average |
| Kent Engelke |
Anderson &
Strudwick |
Russell 2000 |
Russell 2000 |
| Richard Babson |
Babson-United |
none |
S&P 500 |
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I.I.
Hello Dan, let's clarify two things before we go
any further: a) I am not a "Wall Street
heavy weight!" the rest of the people whom
Ms. French interviewed for that article, are
"heavy weights" but I am not!
For God's sake I am in L.A., far and away from
Wall Street! I was flattered and surprised
by the fact that Ms. French thought my
humble opinion was worthy enough to be mentioned
along the opinion of strategists of
such overwhelming statue as
Mr. Richard Bernstein, for whom I reserve
my outmost respect and admiration. b) We still
have to wait another 10 years to see if the
second part of the prediction comes true, so,
let's not open the champagne bottle yet!
Having
said all that, I'll give you my reasons for
picking the Dow. Back then I reasoned that
short-term investors will gravitate around Dow
stocks for three reasons:
1.
Before the economy begins to show signs of
recovery, the early believers would buy the
cyclicals any way. Once the economy begins to
show tangible signs of recovery -as the recent
data suggest- the non-believers will jump in as
well, because you can't afford to be a mutual
fund manager and not own CAT, or, GE, or, IP, if
the economy is recovering.
2.
I also thought that in an uncertain environment
investors will gravitate around companies with
real tangible assets, less controversial balance
sheets compared to others, and proven ability to
withstand tough times. After all, no one doubts
that BA will be around 10 years from now.
3.
If the market turned down, the Dow would go down
less.
In
the long-term, I also chose the Dow, because a)
I believe that globalization is irreversible. No
other company is better positioned to benefit
form expanding markets than U.S. multinational
corporations. Even in countries where we are
"hated" people still drink Coke! Can
you fault Warren Buffet who views Coke stock as
a "core" holding? and b) If I was
constructing a portfolio, which I would not
touch for ten years, it would be full of Dow
stocks also because of safety. As I mentioned
earlier, no one doubts BA, or, GE will be around
ten years from now, I do not think you can say
the same for Sun Microsystems!
D.B.
Good enough! Let's change the subject. How about
this rally? What do you make of it?
I.I.
Our subscribers -who read our daily reports-
know that all of our indicators -which I'll
discuss in detail one by one later- not only
turned positive, but also, broke their
downtrends on 3-1-02. For people who make
decisions strictly on momentum and trend, that
was a buy signal. Look for example at the
"Quantifiers" which encompass pretty
much all of our indicators.
However,
you can also notice that we had a similar surge
last August and then the market collapsed! It
was a complete fake-out. Therefore, risk averse
investors may want to wait until we have a
pullback, if the quantifiers remain positive
while the market pulls back, then that will be
the proof that the rally is for real and it will
last for several weeks.
D.B.
What areas can you point at, that suggest this
rally may not be for real?
I.I.
First of all, look at the Dow -which happens to
be the best performing index- it is still
moving sideways, but with a negative bias.
Second, the similarities between the market
action in early 2000 and now are eerily
striking. Two years ago, the SP500 topped out in
early January, had a spectacular 10 day rally in
March, and then went nowhere but down.
We
see two scenarios taking place from here, let's
take a look at the charts below:
In
the next page, we have the exact probabilities
for each scenario -as calculated by our
forecasting models- I'd rather get into the
details when we get to that part. For now, I
think risk-averse investors need to at least
consider the possibility. If the rally is for
real, it should last for several weeks, thus
there is no reason to chase it. Let's assume
you're trading the QQQ. The last multi-week
rally we had, it gave you three opportunities to
get in, if that is what you wanted to do.
So,
I really see no reason to jump in right at
the "very bottom" of any
rally. If the present one is for
real, there will be
plenty of chances to go long, and if it is
not, you can always short it, when it
fails! All of our indicators have turned
positive that's a short term buy signal.
For risk-averse intermediate term
traders/investors we will have a buy
signal when the market pulls back, holds
at support and the quantifiers stay above
zero. A couple of things that bother me
are a) low VIX/VXN readings and b) as I
will discuss later, all the major
markets/indexes are coming close to
formidable resistance clearly illustrated
in the monthly charts. So, far the rally
has been exceptionally strong, but the
charts show that the indexes are rallying
back to the long term support levels
-which now they represent resistance-
which were violated in the course of the
bear market the last two years.
D.B.
You talk to lot's of people who are in the
business, what type of feedback are you getting?
I.I.
I have made three interesting
observations: a) I do not hear anyone trying to
pick the "top" to go short in contrast
to what we saw during the rally from the
September lows b) I do not hear too many people
saying that they intend to sit it out either,
they plan to go long, and c) very few -even
among those who are long, or, are planning
to go long- believe we are witnessing the dawn
of a new bull market. I find it particularly
interesting that all the commercial traders I
talk to are net short and rather bearish. Of
course you got to keep in mind these guys build
positions over the course of a several weeks,
so, the market can go up for several weeks while
they are building short positions.
D.B.
What's your upside target?
I.I.
On 3-4-02 (see
daily report) we told our subscribers
that our first target was the 1880-1920 level
for NASDAQ and 1175-1185 for the SP500. I'll
cover the rest of our targets when we get to our
forecasting models.
D.B.
Anything to worry about on a "macro"
basis?
I.I.
Interest rates are rising, oil prices are
rising, consumer and household debt levels are
higher now than at the beginning of the
recession, the SP500 still trades at 44 times
REAL earnings, and there is still plenty
of uncertainty in the Middle-East. Thus, a bit
of cautiousness is a matter of prudence at this
point.
D.B.
Ok, let's switch subjects one last time. What is
your opinion on the economy?
I.I.
The Weekly Leading Indicators Index from E.C.R.I
has been rising for several weeks, and the
economic data that we are getting every day
point to an improving environment, thus it is
rather irrefutable that the economy is presently recovering. I think the jury is still
out with regards to a) how sustainable the
recovery really is b) how strong it will be and
c) will corporate profits recover along with the
recovery.
D.B.
What do you think?
I.I.
Last year in the January 2001, newsletter titled
"Half
Empty, Or, Half Full?" I opined
that NASDAQ will trade down to 1400 by the end
of the year, and that we will have several
quarters alternating between sub-par and
negative economic growth. The events of
9-11-01 brought about more stimulus and thus a
more robust recovery in the short-term.
However, in the intermediate term, I do not see
anything that will change my mind.
D.B.
Why?
I.I.
Because the debt bubble -another courtesy of one
the most irresponsible and inept Federal Reserve
Boards this country has ever seen- is just
beginning to burst. One of the most useful
functions of a "recession" is to allow
corporations and consumers to re-liquefy their
balance sheets. Consider the following :
According to a Caldwell & Orkin
report "total household debt stands at $7.9
trillion(77.7% of GDP) as of of the end of Q3
2001, U.S. non-financial, non-farm companies had
a total debt of $4.9 trillion(48.1% of GDP) In
fact since the beginning of the recession in
March of 2001, U.S. have issued $137 billion in
new debt" ( January 2002, pg7-8) I continue
to believe that the economy has not been purged
by the excesses of the 90s, and therefore it
won't be able to fire in all cylinders.
D.B.
Ok, let's move back to the equity markets and
talk about their technical condition.
I.I.
The first thing we got to talk about is our
forecasting models.
Now let's
take a look at the technical condition of the
equity markets.
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